Plan to split California into six states gains ground - but will it pass in congress?

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Plan to split California into six states gains ground . AFP 18 hours ago Los Angeles (United States) (AFP) - A plan to divide California into six separate US states is closer to making it on to a November ballot, with organizers gaining approval to collect signatures. The seemingly far-fetched initiative, sponsored by Silicon Valley venture capitalist Tim Draper, claims "political representation of California's diverse population and economies has rendered the state nearly ungovernable." And on Tuesday, the California Secretary of State's office gave the movement a boost, saying that proponents "may begin collecting petition signatures." At least 807,615 voters -- representing eight percent of the total ballots cast for governor in the 2010 election -- will need to sign the petition by July 18 to make it on to the ballot. The proposal aims to split the state -- America's most populous with around 38 million inhabitants -- into "six smaller state governments, while preserving the historical boundaries of the various counties, cities and towns." In 2012, California was tied with Russia and Italy -- all with a GDP of approximately $2.0 trillion -- for eighth place in world GDP rankings, according to the Center for Continuing Study of the California Economy. The proposal would create a state out of Silicon Valley, home to tech giants Google, Facebook and Apple. It would also create South California, which would include Hollywood and the US entertainment industry. West California, Central California, North California, and Jefferson in the most northern part of the state, would also go it alone. According to the proposal, voters overwhelming approved dividing California in two in 1859, but Congress did not act due to the Civil War. Draper, who has funded more than 400 companies including Skype and Baidu, is founder of venture capital firm Draper Fisher Jurvetson in Menlo Park, California.

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Trailbikerbilly February 23, 2014 at 08:16 AM
You forgot the state of Julia, ungovernable, no GNP, and in a constant state of war with all it's neighbors.
Julia Angel February 23, 2014 at 08:59 AM
Flagged and emailed to moderator.
novato 3per February 23, 2014 at 10:06 AM
Julia you're no "angel" from what I've heard. The editor must be tiring of your abuse. You are very thin skinned. Are you aware that your address is available on the internet? That is why we dont use our real names. We dont want unannounced visits from someone like you.
Julia Angel February 23, 2014 at 10:12 AM
Above comment: flagged and sent to moderator. Yes I live on Captain Nurse Circle. I can find anyone's address on the Internet. Head of Hate, that is a no brainer.
Julia Angel February 23, 2014 at 10:16 AM
You are the one that violated Terms of Use, and had your racist blog removed. And, you refused to modify it so it could be reposted. Seems you do not really understand that you have a serious problem. And people here reading this know that. You are the mental case, not me.
Julia Angel February 23, 2014 at 10:18 AM
And I would never, ever visit you, ever. That is not on my to do list. In fact, I really do not think you have a known address these days anyways. You are a loser running around without much to go on. So have no worries, Head of Hate, I would never come over to your place. That's a stupid joke.
novato 3per February 23, 2014 at 10:26 AM
Julia honey,that's inaccurate. I received a note from the editor about the 1 post in question of many on my blog that you hysterically overflagged and threw a tantrum about, to which a busy editor admitted that it was some of the comments that she took issue with and if I were to repost the original article she would not delete it. In the meantime I edited it anyway to highlight the misapplication of the word racism by low information hypocrites such as yourself. '
novato 3per February 23, 2014 at 10:52 AM
So what do you people think of this proposal for California? Is there any merit to it? Should we take it seriously? Benefits or detriments to our region / proposed future state?
Julia Angel February 23, 2014 at 11:02 AM
Head of Hate: The above comment was flagged and emailed to the moderator, not the editor. I am sending all your comments about me to the Moderator of Patch: moderator@patch.com. So no "busy editor" needs to be bothered with this stuff anymore.. You will be known by the higher ups now...
Tina McMillan February 23, 2014 at 02:19 PM
It's more interesting to discuss the articles. It's not worth debating who is the bigger troll. Trust me. Been there... ========================================== http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/02/21/california-six-states-plan-tim-draper/5673283/ ========================================== While it seems unlikely that congress would approve the addition of ten more senators; the idea to divide California into two states was on the agenda before the Civil War. What would two states look like? Could the economies be sustained? How about water rights? http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/20/tech/social-media/apparently-this-matters-six-californias/ ========================================== If we used Drapers map and shifted it so that Jefferson, Northern and Silicon Valley were one state and Central, West and South were the other, would it work?
novato 3per February 23, 2014 at 02:29 PM
That adjustment reflects a stronger economy by including the bay area business and technology sector, etc., but you also get all the dependents that drain from same economy.
Hopkin February 23, 2014 at 05:32 PM
I haven't read your links, Tina, but even as one state, aren't the economy and water running dry? Would any kind of split require a new U.S flag? I believe a 6-state split would be a big step towards some kind of violent explosion that 3per has previously been accused of championing.
novato 3per February 23, 2014 at 05:42 PM
Hopkin. Tell us why you believe a 6 state split would be a step toward a "violent explosion" ? Is it that you think it would encourage those who wish to secede from the union? For the record, I am opposed to secessionists and still believe in trying to win this country back. As far as revolution goes, Id rather it never came to that, but some fear that its only a question of when and how it will start.
Tina McMillan February 23, 2014 at 06:14 PM
Hopkin: ========================================== I commented on the thread because I have often thought that of all the states, it makes most sense to split CA into two. Our current government has grown so large and yet so polarized that we accomplish little at great cost. We are run by politics, not reason. We are constantly creating new government entities that we can't afford and it just seems like such a mess. ========================================== In one of the two articles they suggest that changing North and South Dakota to just one state would keep the flag the same. I don't know how the Dakota's would feel about that. ========================================= When I look at entire countries going bankrupt it doesn't seem far fetched that California could wind up in the same mess. If we were two states could we make better economic decisions? ========================================== http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_and_secession_in_California ========================================== 20th century ========================================== Since as far back as the mid-19th century, the mountainous region of northern California and parts of southwestern Oregon have been proposed as a separate state. In 1941, some counties in the area ceremonially seceded, one day a week, from their respective states as the State of Jefferson. This movement disappeared after America's entry into World War II, but the notion has been rekindled in recent years. ========================================== The California State Senate voted on June 4, 1965, to divide California into two states, with the Tehachapi Mountains as the boundary. Sponsored by State Senator Richard J. Dolwig (D-San Mateo), the resolution proposed to separate the 7 southern counties, with a majority of the state's population, from the 51 other counties, and passed 27-12. To be effective, the amendment would have needed approval by the State Assembly, by California voters, and by the United States Congress. As expected by Dolwig, the proposal did not get out of committee in the Assembly. ========================================== A previous proposal to this effect, the Pico Act, was advanced in 1859-1860 but was tabled due to the American Civil War and never revived . ========================================== In 1992, State Assemblyman Stan Statham sponsored a bill to allow a referendum in each county on a partition into three new states: North, Central, and South California. The proposal passed in the State Assembly but died in the State Senate. ========================================== It's all just food for thought..... ==========================================
novato 3per February 23, 2014 at 06:31 PM
So, if history is any indication, we're just wasting our time thinking about it.
Hopkin February 23, 2014 at 06:55 PM
Having never head the idea before, I can only say that a 2 or 3 state split may not sound so bad, but the image a six-state split conjured for me was akin to the Soviet bloc falling into their squabbles. I realize those areas already had their history of issues going back hundreds or even thousands of years, but it just seems to me that if there were many pieces, they would eventually gravitate towards some type of segregation, whether racial, ethnic, cultural, religious, political, social, financial, etc. And would any split, no matter how big or small, really change anything if the system itself isn't changed (and not just on a state level)?
novato 3per February 23, 2014 at 07:02 PM
Good questions.
Kevin Moore February 24, 2014 at 08:24 PM
Three states made the most sense. Six states and 12 senators? That will never fly. ------ maybe if we stop sending the same old lobbyist suck ups to Sacramento, things might improve.
Rick Fraites February 25, 2014 at 10:13 AM
novato 3per March 01, 2014 at 01:39 AM
Secession movement in New York pushes for Big Apple to split from Upstate http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/17/secession-movement-in-new-york-pushes-for-big-appl/?page=all
Hopkin March 01, 2014 at 02:24 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_from_New_York~~~~~~~ To be clear, I am neither for nor against any kind of California split; I will deal with whatever the government does or doesn't do as I always have. ;)


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