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Protesters Rally Against Target

Before last night's city council meeting, residents from San Anselmo, Fairfax and San Rafael demonstrated their opposition to opening a Target.

Outside last night, a group of about 40 people rallied against the Target store proposed for the Shoreline Center.

The protesters said the Target would damage small independent business and jobs in the area. 

A community impact report, which the City Council asked for in December, will be released on Wednesday on the city's website. The report will detail the effects the corporate chain store will have on San Rafael and neighboring communities.

Jonathan Frieman April 06, 2011 at 04:19 PM
Ken, thanks very much for your support, but I'd rather have folks who are here remain here, because, like you and I, they're showing passion and caring. David Lowe is way off in his assessment. It isn't Bill Daniels who's convinced everybody. That's not only demonizing Daniels, it also gives Daniels far too much power, and THAT shows how afraid David Lowe is, amongst other things. Mr. Lowe also shows his grand ignorance. He has absolutely no clue as to who's actually been instrumental in the No on Target movement. If he did, he'd be apoplectic.
Stewart Ross April 06, 2011 at 04:49 PM
What a load of balderdash. Why do people from outside of San Rafael like San Anselmo or Fairfax or even union thugs come into San Rafael and open their big mouths. I, a San Rafael resident , want Target.
Jonathan Frieman April 06, 2011 at 05:00 PM
So, um, Mr. Ross, do you have any facts that substantiate your claims of balderdash? And you rail against those of us who do not live in San Rafael. First, Target would affect businesses outside of the bounds of the city of San Rafael. Many studies do show that. Second, what about someone who lives, say, in Bayside Acres? The city's on the west and the east, but their area is unincorporated. Is that person disallowed a voice?
William Callahan April 06, 2011 at 05:44 PM
Our quality of life is being undermined by big box stores selling cheap products made elsewhere around the world that have a very short life and end up in our landfill. Continuing down this road will not make our community healthier for people or business. I'm a small business owner in San Rafael and I'm very concerned that some people don't want to see the danger. It's sad that many would rather save a dollar than the health of our community.
Ken Ballinger April 06, 2011 at 06:27 PM
Hello Mr. Ross. Thanks for your view. According to google maps, San Rafael and Fairfax are just 3.4 miles apart. This issue hits pretty close to home.
Stewart Ross April 06, 2011 at 06:30 PM
Some of the people protesting are legitimate protesters however a good many are coming from unions such as SEIU, George Soros' buddies.
Jonathan Frieman April 06, 2011 at 06:50 PM
Large corporations have done such a great job of trashing unions, which is more than sad. But unions are responsible for the humane working conditions we have today, such as mid-morning and mid-afternoon breaks, lunchtimes, weekends, and no child labor. Without Soros the world would be much worse off. Racism would be much more widespread. The poor would be without nothing. And that's part of the sadness of this issue--as Mr. Callahan points out, Target employs the working poor, the people who would be freeloading off the county because Target wants more profit. It is compassion and caring that are our natural heritage and birthright. Hate and demonization fail.
Stewart Ross April 06, 2011 at 06:59 PM
Many of you should be singing THE INTERNATIONALE. We live in a Republic, not the Soviet Union. Read George Soros' life story and see how in 1944 he helped take property away from Jews and he admittingly, did it with glee. We need sales tax revenue. Costco tried moving here several years ago and was stopped by you agitators and a sympathetic city council. I am tired of poluting the air by driving to Novato to shop in Target but you lefties who say you care about the environment are trying to make me continue driving to Novato and believe me I will if your shortsightedness is substantiated.
Jonathan Frieman April 06, 2011 at 07:08 PM
The issue has been lost with demonization. The city is willing to risk the devastation of downtown, which means lost sales tax revenue; as well as traffic so bad it cannot be improved; as well as an imposition on the taxpayer, to pay for the healthcare costs of Target workers; and a loss of community morale, all to try to get an amount of sales tax that is far surpassed by the charitable donations of United Market, T&B Sports, and Andy's Market. Any debate on this subject ought to center upon the issues just related.
Stewart Ross April 06, 2011 at 07:21 PM
It's sort of amazing how the people of Marin county band together to keep out a store but do nothing about the amount of money flying out for public employee pensions. I've an idea to save hundreds of thousands of dollars in both salaries and pensions. One school district, one county police department with a Sheriffs department to run the jail, one county fire department , all of these with ONE chief each. Better communications, fewer pensions and a big SAVINGS IN SALARIES. 260,000 PEOPLE WITH 13 POLICE JURISDICTIONS, 17 (I BELIEVE) SCHOOL DISTRICTS- this is ridiculous. tHIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD BE RALLYing about, not one store.
Jane Gray April 07, 2011 at 04:13 AM
I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU,,,,,,,, NOW THAT I HAVE HEARD HIM SAY HE SUPPORTS LOCAL PRODUCTS, AND JUST TOOK BACK A SOUR SEVEN DOLLAR MEXICO WATERMELON THAT I BOUGHT WHERE? UNITED MARKET. THEY WERE VERY NICE IN TAKING IT BACK, BUT NEVER THE LESS, IT CAME IN FROM MEXICO WITH A YELLOW RIND INSIDE AND A BAD FLAVOR. I THINK THIS MAN HAS A VERY PRICEY MARKET, HAVING WORKED FOR MANY PEOPLE IN HIGH END CARE JOBS, SHOPPING AT ALL THE MARKETS, UNITED IS HIGH PRICED, AND I COULD NOT SHOP THERE IF IT WERE NOT FOR MY FOOD STAMPS I HAVE TO BE ON AS I AM VERY LOW LOW INCOME. THEN THERE ARE THOSE OF US, SENIOR CITIZEN'S JUST TRYING TO MAKE ENOUGH TO KEEP A ROOF OVER OUR HEADS AND FOOD ON THE PLATE. WE NEEEEEEED A TARGET STORE, THANK YOU,,,,,,,, WE APPRECIATE IT ALL!
Jane Gray April 07, 2011 at 04:16 AM
I WORK TWO PART TIME JOBS, AND MY CARE JOBS WERE FARMED OUT TO HATTIANS, WHO DID NOT RENT HERE, BUT WERE READY WITH A SUITCASE TO MOVE IN TO MY JOBS AREA HOMES, PUTTING ME OUT OF WORK. I MANAGED TO FIND TWO PART TIME SEASONAL JOBS TO SURVIVE,AND HAVE HAD TO HAVE CHURCHES HELP ME ALSO. I WANT A TARGET NOT FOR THE FOOD, AS I THINK THEY ARE PRETTY HIGH PRICED ALSO,AS IS MI PUEBLO MARKET WHO UNITED OWNER ALSO FOUGHT TO KEEP OUT. I BELIEVE MORE PEOPLE WANT TARGET FOR AFORDABLE CLOTHING, CHILDREN'S ESPECIALLY, SHOES AND SEASONAL ITEMS.
Jane Gray April 07, 2011 at 04:29 AM
WE ARE IN A HARD TIME RECESSION, WE ARE ALL LOOKING FOR CHEAPER PRICES, WE ALSO HAVE DOLLAR TREE OFF IGNACIO FOR CHEAPER FOOD ITEMS, AND LOW INCOME EVEN GET FREE HALF SPOILED FOODS FREE FROM SALVATION ARMY TO SURVIVE. THEN YOU HAVE THE DEALERS WHO HAUNT THE USED SAL ARMY AND GOODWILL, FOR RESALE ITEMS AND PERSONAL THINGS THEY NEED. THEN 'YOU HAVE THE MIDDLE CLASS? IF YOU CAN CALL THEM THAT, WHO LOVE TO GO GREEN AND BUY FRESH FLOWERS AT THE FARMERS EVENTS, THROW IN A FEW CULTS LIKE RON L HUBBARD ON THE STREETS,AND YOU MUST NOT FORGET THE MILLIONAIRES AND THOSE THAT WANT TO BE! I DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT CHINA, I WANT TO SUPPORT AMERICA. BUT, TAKE A LOOK AROUND ,,,, DOES AMERICA HAVE A GOOD STORE IN MARIN,,,,OH YES, GOODWILL AND SALVATION ARMY STORES WHERE YOU CAN FIND MOST ANY ITEM CHEAP IF YOU LOOK AROUND A LOT. I COULD CRY DISCRIMINATION, I AM 67 WITH MANY DISABILITIES AND CANNOT SEEM TO GET SEC 8, BUT EVERY LATINO IN MY AREA SEEMS TO HAVE IT? STILL, MARIN IS A GOOD PLACE TO GO FOR HANDOUTS, AND DAY LABOR! WHAT IS WORSE , DAY LABOR, HOT DIRTY FOR TEN AN HOUR OR CHINA, HOT DIRTY FOR SMALLER PAY ? I AM SORRY, IF UNITED AND SCOTTY'S? GET HURT IN THE PROCESS, WE NEED MORE AFFORDABLE CLOTHING THAN THE GOODWILL STORE . WE NEED MORE AFFORDABLE FOOD THAN THE HANDOUTS THAT ARE AT TIMES FULL OF BUGS AND MOLD! WE DO GET HELP HERE,,, BUT IT IS A KNOWN FACT THAT MARIN SERVANTS AND GARDNER'S GET NO HIGH WAGES, AND NO BENEFITS EITHER!!
Jane Gray April 07, 2011 at 04:42 AM
OH PLEASE, I SEE THE REMARK TO JUST MOVE AWAY IF WE WANT OR NEEEED CHEAPER?? THIS IS JUST LIKE THE PERSON WHO HIRES IN HOME CARE, DOES NOT WANT TO PAY TAXES, BENEFITS, OR EVEN A GOOD WAGE, BUT ,,,,,,,,,THEY WANT SERVANTS TO CLEAN, COOK, LAUNDER, GARDEN, AND DRIVE THEM AROUND TO THE STORES! BEAUTICIANS, NAIL MANICURES, PEDICURES, GARDNERS, CONSTRUCTION WORKER'S, DAY LABORORS, DO NOT GET ANY BENEFITS, OR "FLUFF" WITH A MARIN JOB, THEY TOIL HOT AND SWEATY BROWS, LONG HOURS FOR MILLIONAIRES HERE IN MARIN COUNTY, SO THIS "SURVEY" OF HOW CHINA TREATS HER WORKERS, IS RATHER NILL TO THE WORKING CLASS OF MARIN CO. AND MANY EXPECT THEM TO COMMUTE TO AND FROM, PAY TOLL BRIDGES/ GASOLENE TO AND FROM ALSO. WITH NO SICK LEAVE PAY -NON UNION PAY, AND NO HEALTH PLAN , SO YOUR SUVEYS REALLY DON'T MEAN MUCH TO THE POOR WHO NEED TARGET STORES NEAR THEM TO MAKE IT THRU THE DAY!
Jonathan Frieman April 07, 2011 at 04:45 AM
Sue, please be aware that the carbon footprint of this Target itself, in particular, will far outweigh any lessening of driving time.
Stewart Ross April 07, 2011 at 04:48 AM
Carbon footprint my A__.typical BS as promoted by Fat Al Gore who has made millions with this carbon footprint nonsense. All I know is when I have to drive to Novato I have to put gas in my car. The union thugs are in this up to their eyeballs. We want a Target in San Rafael.
Jane Gray April 07, 2011 at 04:53 AM
WE COULD SAVE MILLIONS IF WE END THE DEATH PENALTY AND THROW THE JAIL KEY AWAY ON THEM. WE COULD SAVE PLENTY OF WE DID NOT LET IN ILLEGALS, WHO MARIN HIRES ALL DAY LONG ALL YEAR LONG! WE COULD SAVE MONEY IF WE DID NOT DRIVE BIG SUV'S. WE COULD SAVE MONEY IF WE DID NOT HAVE TO EAT OUT SO OFTEN. WE COULD SAVE MONEY IF WE HAD BULLETIN BOARDS AGAIN-TRY TO FIND JUST ONE THAT YOU CAN POST AN ITEM FOR SALE,,,,,WHY IS THERE NONE? YOU COULD SAVE MONEY IF YOU DID NOT HIRE ILLEGALS AND HIRED AMERICAN CITIZEN'S. YOU CAN SAVE MONEY IF YOU LOWER YOUR STANDARDS AND GO CHECK OUT THE DOLLAR TREE AND SAVE! MARIN IS TOO SPREAD OUT TO HAVE ONE OF EVERY ENTITY. IF THERE WAS A FIRE FOR EXAMPLE, I WANT A LOCAL FIRE DEPT. IN MY AREA.
Stewart Ross April 07, 2011 at 03:59 PM
Jane, Jane. I don't want ONE Fire station. ONE set of administrators and still have the current stations open but suorvised by a central entity. Jane, Jane, don't panic. I undertsand you didn't fathom what I meant.
Edwin Drake April 08, 2011 at 12:13 AM
Hey Stewart Ross - Here's an idea, let's repeal the Prop 13 benefit on COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. What's little guy is that helping? And let's tax oil out of the ground. And let's restore the Vehicle License fee. If you can afford a $60,000 car you can afford the tax.
Stewart Ross April 08, 2011 at 08:00 AM
Reating to Carbon footprint: The Philippine volcano put out more Carbon in 2 days than humans have done in 1,000 years. Our efforts are all a waste of time!
Justin S. April 08, 2011 at 03:11 PM
...shocking claim Stew about "the Philippine volcano" (thank you Fox News for the "data")! Perhaps we have the wrong "Target" in our sights...so, Plate Tectonics is the real carbon footprint culprit here?
Stewart Ross April 08, 2011 at 04:10 PM
You union supporters and naysayers will do and say anything to prevent free enterprise. We need tax money period. Look at the report. Target will be here.
Ross Stewart April 08, 2011 at 04:23 PM
That tax money won't be available for at least four years. So what will the city do until then? Let the gangs ravage Ross' neighborhood? And what about folks like Jane, who need claim they Target's "low-costing goods?" What will they do for clothes and food until then? Walk around naked and starve?
Stewart Ross April 08, 2011 at 04:46 PM
Please don't be confused. I write using Stewart Ross. there is someone writing under the name Ross Stewart. IT IS NOT ME!!!!!
Jane Gray May 01, 2011 at 09:06 PM
I would like to say this to all, I often write in Caps depending on time of day, I am partially blind from age three car backed over me. I write larger as it helps me. I am very outspoken,and you should know this about me, I do not hate anyone. I love my fellow man, Target, United, Andy of Andy's market. I have a way of writing that can rally folks, you can hate me for some of what I write, Please know this about me. I see a slice of life , in this case Marin Co. from a poor woman's point of view. I may even learn from my mistakes of last year for example. I came to Marin and saw the cult on the main street, the handouts, Ritter house, the prisoners who are let off a bus all the time with barely enough money to leave town,, the homeless come here in droves, due to the free showers, food, bus fare?, clothing, and some of the best HOMELESS programs in the country! I have had times when I could give 35 hambergers to the day labor's for a Thanksgiving dinner I knew they were not going to have,, and yet, I have exposed fraud at the doors of some of our stores from "homeless" who live here!! and do have the means to work and not look for handouts.
Jane Gray May 01, 2011 at 09:07 PM
continued from below comment, jg I remember the woman my age behind Goodwill, with her shopping cart stacked mile high with bags, and asked her her goals in life, blank stare, nothing,, when I suggested Homeward Bound, where I volunteered an Art class , she said "but how will I take all my stuff on the bus to get there?" . I have confronted drunks who wanted my "change for a bus ride", and told them they were younger and stronger than I am, go find a help wanted sign or a program for the homeless. They also get free medical. WE need to know all the facts before we make decisions or vote. I hope I can always SEE what is around me, and who,,,,we need to have a heart but a sound mind to see what we all need here in Marin, not just one segment. jg
Jane Gray May 01, 2011 at 09:31 PM
PS At the council meeting, several anti Target people confronted me, demanding to know WHY? I was for a Target store here. Angry, mean in spirit, so I told them why and walked away. I don't have the time to argue over issues, especially if your mad. I am sensitive to the needs of the smaller proprietors, I HAVE BEEN ONE in my past. I know what it is like to pay the bills, what the general public can be like when your behind a counter, I have served on that side also. We had to sell out our Hardware/feed/ammo/vet supplies /jewelry and gifts store because we did not make enough to buy in large quanity, we were in a rural area, where collecting bills often fell on me to drive around collecting. We saw our "dream business" go to someone who had the money,who used our store location to open a TRUE VALUE store. Times change, people survive, not all of us become wealthy. We need things in perspective in our lives,my friend from Guatamala, may not even know what we are all deciding, she is content to have life with three small children, husband , small Apt and walk most places, she is happy. We are not all here legally,we let the illegals come to Marin just like the rest of America, complacent? Perhaps of what it would entail. But they are here, in numbers, and I for one had a legal grandmother who was part Spanish/Italian. We need to take into account\our God given right is to have FOOD CLOTHING AND SHELTER, anything beyond that is a luxury or toy? May God bless Marin Co. jg
Stewart Ross May 02, 2011 at 12:57 AM
This person is right. San protesters I barely accept but San Anselmo and Faifax. Keep out of our politics. YOU HAVE NOTHING to say. We pay taxes in San Rafael but you don't. Keep out of our business especially those of you in West Berkeley (Fairfax)
Jane Gray May 02, 2011 at 01:13 AM
This may be why I saw not one store keeper from San Rafael that I recognized at the meeting. I was a marketing manager two year's ago and went out to all the local businesses in Marin County,speaking to manager's and owner's ---- they were all hurting TWO years ago!! To say that just now, when a Target comes in to replace the trips to Novato for Target goods there, is going to hurt all the folks in small businesses is false. Some will prosper from it coming in. I spoke to a large Novelty warehouse in the canal area, where I bought my " Welcome (TARGET) baloon's" for the meeting and they said, We are not afraid of a Target, it will not affect us. I believe this, because this man buys all his goods from ,,,,, CHINA, and he is reasonable in prices, and services the Canal, just like a Latino Baby gift shop, with Latino gifts, in spanish. Target does not out do this store,,, it may catch a few on Novelties, but they were headed there to begin with. Did Ikea hurt it's surrounding area? I really doubt it. Fairfax is too busy trying to legalize Pot to worry over us in San Rafael. I just wish they would pay up the thousands in back taxes to the state that they all owe! The smaller shops in Fairfax and San Anselmo are very hard to get your goods into to sell, I know this for a fact also, as an Artist. jg
Stewart Ross May 02, 2011 at 08:50 PM
Why is it, that everytime I sign on in comments, I have to listen to those loud mouth protesters all over again? Fix the site, please.

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